tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6679900905356691531.post7680109899088127843..comments2024-03-10T09:53:06.804-07:00Comments on ZZ's blog: Is There Life After Social Democracy?zoltan zigedyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09376602245528691381noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6679900905356691531.post-34413638532927567062014-12-03T12:09:19.868-08:002014-12-03T12:09:19.868-08:00Supporting Democratic candidates seems like a stra...Supporting Democratic candidates seems like a strange way of making the Party "implode"! <br /><br />I'm afraid the trend is, and has been since the ascendency of the DLC, towards complete corporate domination of the Democratic Party and the demise of progressives. Today you can count the number of New Deal-type D'S in Congress on maybe two hands?<br /><br />How many D's stuck with single payer after the push for the corporate-coddling ACA? Are they the backbone of your new post-Democratic formation? Will they bolt the DP to serve the working class? Why haven't they done so? How much worse must their party get?<br /><br />Sorry, Social Democratic Parties and the Dems may have started at different places, but because of their reformism, they've arrived at the same dead end...<br /> zoltan zigedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376602245528691381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6679900905356691531.post-16107004355574868662014-12-03T03:22:01.287-08:002014-12-03T03:22:01.287-08:00Don't mix me up with those who want the Dems t...Don't mix me up with those who want the Dems to be social-democrats. My goal is to see them implode, to go the way of the Whigs, so we can place them with something that serves the working class and its allies. I just happen to think we need a stronger and independent left pole within it to increase the tensions on its fault lines to the breaking point. External forces are also needed. Anyway, I'd argue that PDA and the Congressional Progressive Caucus have a platform closer to social-democracy, not the DNC platform.Carl Davidsonhttp://ouleft.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6679900905356691531.post-51073408037563180992014-12-02T17:16:12.917-08:002014-12-02T17:16:12.917-08:00Thanks, Carl. Why am I not surprised that someone ...Thanks, Carl. Why am I not surprised that someone who continues to hold out hope that Democrats will become "social democrats" would miss the point? In fact, traditional social democrats-- like UK Labour, French SP, Italian PD etc-- all now operate like Democrats. They have converged, though not in the way you hoped!zoltan zigedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376602245528691381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6679900905356691531.post-19661749712446543632014-12-02T16:00:06.304-08:002014-12-02T16:00:06.304-08:00The US Democrats as a social-democratic party? Tha...The US Democrats as a social-democratic party? That's long been a gleam in the eyes of many DSAers, but hardly an apt description, IMO.Carl Davidsonhttp://ouleft.orgnoreply@blogger.com